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RE: 250s in the Manx - George - 27-06-2011
(27-06-2011, 10:24 AM)hayley Wrote: ok fair enough, just wipe out 250's at the manx in near enough 1 yr AFTER the regs ect gone out, only changing their minds once people started puttin their entrys in.... no 1 knew anythin about it, no email was sent to the riders not even a mention for 250 riders to contact the commitee on the website.
So that being the case (not that the 650's were bothered when they were beating the 400's by a good 3/4 mph) have all the FASTER riders been kicked out of the post classic also then, ie, micheal dunlop, ollie, ryan ect???
I have neva known a race meeting kick sombody out of the class/race for being too quick??? is that not the idea, to try an go faster an win?? u dont hear the back markers or the middle pack riders at f1/ moto gp/ bsb or any other event complaining that the front runners are going to fast an they should not b allowed to race???
Every body at the manx be it a faster or slower rider is here for the same thing they want to ride their bikes on the TT course. no-one gains anything from the manx, no money or anythin, so really nobody is taking anythin away from anybody.
How long must u have been coming to be classed as a "more experianced rider" or how fast do u have to go to be a "faster" rider...
Who makes these rules up to? i know for a fact that this was an in-house decision people that are normaly "in the know" didnt know anything about this till again AFTER the fact.
Its just a joke.... i will take back everythin i have said back IF (even though we know they havent) dunlop, farquar, ollie ect have been knocked back also from the post classic!
we been told a good 650 would do near on 118+ round here.... maybe dan, paul, davy an neil should get themselves a 650 then, as they have been told they can ride on a 650, just not a 250.
Anyway, rant over, no matter what is said or done nothing will change their minds! dont think the boys who do 250, an 600 will b back to the manx an they can an do ride their 600 in the TT. it was just 1 of the last places they could ride their 2 strokes!
Not havin a go at you george by the way
Good reply Hayley, This has nothing to do with me I was only passing on the only information that I could find out, Maybe there are other reasons, but unless a official response is posted we will never know whats going on.
RE: 250s in the Manx - ammo - 27-06-2011
(26-06-2011, 08:17 PM)larryd Wrote:(26-06-2011, 08:12 PM)hayley Wrote: The boys who have been told they can not ride a 250 CAN ride a 650.
Now i could understand that if it was in a split class, but its not???
Very confused.
The MMMC are having their script written by the "powers that be", who don't want those nasty dirty noisy twostrokes to win, and thus make it harder to banish them.
Conspiracy theorist, moi?
Of course - always have been.
And with bl**dy good reason, too!
You with me, George ??
I notice that none of the "Powers that be " are saying anything !
RE: 250s in the Manx - George - 27-06-2011
(27-06-2011, 06:33 PM)ammo Wrote:(26-06-2011, 08:17 PM)larryd Wrote:(26-06-2011, 08:12 PM)hayley Wrote: The boys who have been told they can not ride a 250 CAN ride a 650.
Now i could understand that if it was in a split class, but its not???
Very confused.
The MMMC are having their script written by the "powers that be", who don't want those nasty dirty noisy twostrokes to win, and thus make it harder to banish them.
Conspiracy theorist, moi?
Of course - always have been.
And with bl**dy good reason, too!
You with me, George ??
I notice that none of the "Powers that be " are saying anything !
RE: 250s in the Manx - Tel - 27-06-2011
Discussions took place between the Auto Cycle Union and the Manx Motor Cycle Club, the result being the birth of the Manx Grand Prix, in 1930, which celebrates its 80th Anniversary this year.
The race programme continued as previously, with Junior and Senior races, over six laps. The 250cc machines were allowed in the Junior race for the first time in 1933, with a Lightweight Grand Prix being included in the programme from 1934, the race being run concurrently with the six lap Junior.
The present Lightweight Manx Grand Prix Trophy was donated to the Club, by the family of Doug Pirie, who during his Manx career won three races.
Lightweigh Race for 250's not 650's or are they going to get a new trophy??
RE: 250s in the Manx - hayley - 27-06-2011
The lightweight race is now the 400/125 race. The 650/250 is now the supertwin race. Tel will give u a call once I sorted our demon child out
x
RE: 250s in the Manx - Tel - 27-06-2011
I am off to bed now Hayley, working on the bikes this afternoon, and totally knackered ( bloody tablets).
Give us a bell in the morning.
RE: 250s in the Manx - Malcolm - 27-06-2011
The Entry Forms show:-
RACE 5 : (A) LIGHTWEIGHT & (B) ULTRA-LIGHTWEIGHT
No mention of a SuperTwin Race in the Entry Form
Race 1a - Newcomers
Race 1b - Post Classic
Race 2a - Junior Classic
Race 2b - Lightweight Classic
Race 3 - Junior
Race 4 - Senior Classic
Race 5a - Lightweight
Race 5b - Ultra-Lightweight
Race 6 - Senior
However in the Regs:-
1315 Race 5 The SUPER TWIN/LIGHTWEIGHT MANX GRAND PRIX RACE (4 laps) in 2 capacity classes run concurrently
Class A - SuperTwin
201cc – 350cc 2 stroke 2 cylinder
Up to 650cc 4 stroke 2 cylinder
Class B - Lightweight
Up to 125 cc 2 stroke single cylinder, 6 gears maximum
251cc – 400cc 4 stroke 4 cylinder. Rebores up to Manufacturer’s maximum rebore sizes are permitted Up to 450cc 4 stroke single cylinder
It all sounds strange to me !!!!!
RE: 250s in the Manx - Tel - 27-06-2011
An explanation by someone from the MMCC would go down well, however I will ring Mr David Hardinge tomorrow to see if he can shed any light.
RE: 250s in the Manx - ammo - 28-06-2011
(27-06-2011, 08:49 PM)Malcolm Wrote: The Entry Forms show:-
RACE 5 : (A) LIGHTWEIGHT & (B) ULTRA-LIGHTWEIGHT
No mention of a SuperTwin Race in the Entry Form
Race 1a - Newcomers
Race 1b - Post Classic
Race 2a - Junior Classic
Race 2b - Lightweight Classic
Race 3 - Junior
Race 4 - Senior Classic
Race 5a - Lightweight
Race 5b - Ultra-Lightweight
Race 6 - Senior
However in the Regs:-
1315 Race 5 The SUPER TWIN/LIGHTWEIGHT MANX GRAND PRIX RACE (4 laps) in 2 capacity classes run concurrently
Class A - SuperTwin
201cc – 350cc 2 stroke 2 cylinder
Up to 650cc 4 stroke 2 cylinder
Class B - Lightweight
Up to 125 cc 2 stroke single cylinder, 6 gears maximum
251cc – 400cc 4 stroke 4 cylinder. Rebores up to Manufacturer’s maximum rebore sizes are permitted Up to 450cc 4 stroke single cylinder
It all sounds strange to me !!!!!
That lot havent got a clue what it says in the regs. In one part it says that riders will start singly at 10 second intervals then a few pages further on it says that riders will start in pairs at 10 second intervals. Talk about the blind leading the blind.
Dont waste your time with David Harding Tel, go to those who are running the event .ie the Secretary of the meeting / Clerk of the Course etc.
ammo Long live Two Strokes
RE: 250s in the Manx - sticky - 28-06-2011
Hayley has explained over on iomtt.com that some 650 riders were threatening to pull out of the event if the quicker 250 guys were allowed to race. I have to agree with her that these same riders probably didn't have any problem at all about being pitched against 125s & 400s lapping 4-6mph slower
Question is, should the organisers allow themselves to be dictated to like that? If, of course, that is what the reason actually is (I'm not questioning Hayley by the way but I'm still curious about the veracity of the information she's been given. Or perhaps I'm just an old cynic...)
Rather than alienate a whole group of competitors, maybe a bit of thought could be applied. Run the race as a 3 lapper. With a big enough tank the 650s could do the race non-stop but the (supposedly) quicker 250s will certainly have to pit, somewhat negating their speed advantage. In my opinion that would make for a very interesting race - I appreciate that losing a lap from the race isn't ideal but sometimes you have to compromise to find a solution and at the moment it just stinks of the event management trying to get rid of the 250s.
RE: 250s in the Manx - hayley - 28-06-2011
Hey, yes our info has came from the top so it is correct. We feel that had they just approached Dan honestly then maybe others would not been made to loose out! It could of been handled a little better and done months ago.
RE: 250s in the Manx - George - 29-06-2011
How many 650s have entered compared to 250s, you have to look at tings from both sides, if the ratio is 80% 650s and only 20% 250s then the MMCC have to listen the the 650 riders, on saying this, as Tel has already said there is a 25o Trophy in place.[/b]
RE: 250s in the Manx - ammo - 29-06-2011
I notice in the regs that the words " The most Sporting Event of the year" have been omitted this year, pehaps they should consider replacing them with "The most Backstabbing event of the year", and of course it is no longer a "Sporting Event" it is now a "Commercial Event" run solely for profit, F**k all those who've supported this event for years, lets have all the Prima Donnas in.
As the 650 riders who've brought this about were threatening to ride at the UGP "instead", does that therefore mean that these riders would not ordinarily ride at the UGP ?
Just curious
ammo
RE: 250s in the Manx - Carole - 30-06-2011
(27-06-2011, 10:24 AM)hayley Wrote: So that being the case (not that the 650's were bothered when they were beating the 400's by a good 3/4 mph) have all the FASTER riders been kicked out of the post classic also then, ie, micheal dunlop, ollie, ryan ect???
Every body at the manx be it a faster or slower rider is here for the same thing they want to ride their bikes on the TT course. no-one gains anything from the manx, no money or anythin, so really nobody is taking anythin away from anybody.
How long must u have been coming to be classed as a "more experienced rider" or how fast do u have to go to be a "faster" rider...
Its just a joke.... i will take back everythin i have said IF (even though we know they havent) dunlop, farquar, ollie ect have been knocked back also from the post classic!
Without trying to get involved in the 250 debate (and as Olie has ridden one in the past, and is likely to be riding one at the Ulster I have no axe to grind regarding your comments- great bikes) it is unlikely that the riders you mention are to be knocked back from the post classic, as there has never been restrictions on classic riders at the Manx, only the modern rides. Olie Michael and Ryan could not,even if they wanted to ride in the modern classes, as they have all won replicas in the TT within the past three years.
However, just so you know, Olie is not riding at the Manx this year, so that's one less to worry about. The TT course is probably the most demanding of the pure road circuits, and he wants to be back to full fitness before he rides on the Island again, after his big off last year.
Regards.
Carole
RE: 250s in the Manx - hayley - 30-06-2011
The reason dan an Neil have been kicked out is because they are to fast not because of any restrictions at the Manx. Neitha dan no Neil are TT RIDERS so that not the reason they are out. I have nothin against the lads I mentioned at all but the too are a good few mph faster than the otha lads is my point so y kick 2 out an not the rest! I have put the exination we were given on iomtt.com x
O an up untill this yr all TT riders wether they have won a rep or not could have rode in the 250's. they changed the rules to keep 250s goin but the 650 lads don't want faster riders in their class on faster bikes
x
RE: 250s in the Manx - George - 30-06-2011
(30-06-2011, 04:32 PM)hayley Wrote: The reason dan an Neil have been kicked out is because they are to fast not because of any restrictions at the Manx. Neitha dan no Neil are TT RIDERS so that not the reason they are out. I have nothin against the lads I mentioned at all but the too are a good few mph faster than the otha lads is my point so y kick 2 out an not the rest! I have put the exination we were given on iomtt.com xIs Chris Palmer riding a 250 in the MGP
O an up untill this yr all TT riders wether they have won a rep or not could have rode in the 250's. they changed the rules to keep 250s goin but the 650 lads don't want faster riders in their class on faster bikes
RE: 250s in the Manx - ammo - 30-06-2011
(30-06-2011, 05:22 PM)George Wrote:(30-06-2011, 04:32 PM)hayley Wrote: The reason dan an Neil have been kicked out is because they are to fast not because of any restrictions at the Manx. Neitha dan no Neil are TT RIDERS so that not the reason they are out. I have nothin against the lads I mentioned at all but the too are a good few mph faster than the otha lads is my point so y kick 2 out an not the rest! I have put the exination we were given on iomtt.com xIs Chris Palmer riding a 250 in the MGP
O an up untill this yr all TT riders wether they have won a rep or not could have rode in the 250's. they changed the rules to keep 250s goin but the 650 lads don't want faster riders in their class on faster bikes
Prize money for the Supertwins race at the UGP is:-
1st £900
2nd £700
3rd £600
4th £500
5th £400
6th £300
7th £200
8th £100
Dont know why the 650 riders concerned didnt go to the UGP "instead" of the MGP, they could have won some prize money, but then, of course, they'd be up against professional riders who ride there regularly on bikes that would probably be "quicker than their's".
The Organisers should have called their bluff
RE: 250s in the Manx - hayley - 01-07-2011
Quote:Is Chris Palmer riding a 250 in the MGP
He cant this yr but if he doesnt do the tt for another year then i think he will b able to yes x
RE: 250s in the Manx - sticky - 01-07-2011
Seems like the goal posts have been moved again... Roy Richardson and Davy Morgan both rode in the 250 Manx last year having ridden in the TT the same year.
RE: 250s in the Manx - George - 01-07-2011
Davy was telling me he was doing the MGP this year