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RE: [split] Nothing to do with Eddie Nelson, - George - 20-06-2009
If the penalty for running the red flag is to be disqualified then the riders that finished behind Bud should have also been disqualified.
Do you not think Bud may have been indicating two laps to go
RE: [split] Nothing to do with Eddie Nelson, - DCLUCIE - 22-06-2009
Actually George to get this straight once and for all, I was at the start line and Bud was one of only TWO riders to run the red flag. The others that finnished behind Bud were overtaken by him on the last lap, they were still on their 5th lap as Bud was starting his 6th. All of this is by the by. I agree that both riders that had the red flag shown to them and ignored it should both hav been disqualified if they had acknowlaged the red flag. Bud did so by the raising his arm the first time around and on the second by raising two fingers to the officials who were holding the flag. THIS CAN NOT BE ALLOWED. No matter who it was this should never happen and you are a fool if you think it should be perfectly fine to do this when you are the one who has ignored a RED FLAG. Which we all know if one is shown you should stop straight away no matter what or where they maybe shown.
So basically if you think that passing a red flag is ok, then you are just causing more trouble than its worth an all of your comments should be ignored. What would have happened if the reason for the flag was a crash at the bottom of Bray, and Bud was killed, you would be on here shouting about why didn't they stop him. Well he ignored the flag and this, as said on here many many times, should be punished. Bud did himself no favours by the amount of disrespect shown to the flag person and the officials afterwards.
I just hope you are not condining this type of behaviour George as it would only go to show your ignorance about whats actually involved in putting on a race of this sort.
RE: [split] Nothing to do with Eddie Nelson, - George - 22-06-2009
David I have no reason to disagree with you but if you take a look at the lap details for lap 5 and six you will see that the same riders were behind Bud at the start of both laps, they were also the last three riders to finish lap six. If Bud was red flaged at the start of lap 6 along with the two other riders behind him, then they should have been Black flagged, is that not the rules, or a mater of safety. These three riders were alowed to complete the last lap but only one disqualified.
Yes I would agree break the rules and be punished, but punish all that broke them.
Just a thought, If the riders had passed a red flag at the Bray Hill Crossroads at the start of lap six, what happened to the rest of the red flags on the track, were they not out, I cant believe that riders would race the last lap if the red flags were out, something is not right.
RE: [split] Nothing to do with Eddie Nelson, - Tomcat - 22-06-2009
I can't understand anyone going through a red flag. The roads could have been open past St Ninians <shudder>..... can you imagine the headlines? There's a time and a place to give 2 fingers to the ACU but speeding past a red flag ain't it.
RE: [split] Nothing to do with Eddie Nelson, - George - 22-06-2009
Exactly TC, where were the red flags after Bray Hill.
Position on the road at the end of lap 6 were
End of lap six
29 60 Alan Bud Jackson 1000cc Suzuki / BDS Fuels 19 23.38 116.753 01 57 13.09 115.876
30 45 David Madsen-Mygdal 1000cc Yamaha / CSC Branson Racing 19 13.06 117.797 01 57 19.03 115.778
31 59 Marc Fissette* 1000cc Yamaha / Macau Racing Team 19 20.87 117.005 01 57 22.29 115.725
Above is the last 3 riders to finish lap six.
Take a look at the riders positions at end of lap 5
29 42 Roger Maher 1000cc Yamaha / Tom Dineen Transport 19 55.24 113.641 01 37 05.92 116.572
30 52 Sergio Romero 1000cc Kawasaki 20 03.59 112.852 01 37 30.33 116.086
31 60 Alan Bud Jackson 1000cc Suzuki / BDS Fuels 20 01.34 113.064 01 37 49.71 115.702
32 59 Marc Fissette* 1000cc Yamaha / Macau Racing Team 20 01.81 113.020 01 38 01.42 115.472
33 67 Eric Wilson 1000cc Yamaha 20 13.31 111.948 01 38 02.19 115.457
34 45 David Madsen-Mygdal 1000cc Yamaha / CSC Branson Racing 20 15.58 111.739 01 38 05.97 115.383
35 64 Karsten Schmidt 1000cc Honda / SBM Honda 20 15.57 111.741 01 38 22.03 115.069
36 68 Adrian Clark* 1000cc Kawasaki / HQC 20 38.45 109.676 01 39 13.03 114.083
37 77 Steve Heneghan* 1000cc Honda / Quattro Plant Motorsport 20 47.76 108.857 01 40 26.28 112.696
38 75 Steve McDonald 1000cc Suzuki / DHT/Servlite Race Team 21 00.49 107.758 01 41 03.48 112.005
39 53 Paul Cranston 1000cc Honda / P & J Honda 21 00.63 107.746 01 41 21.42 111.675
40 65 Jenny Tinmouth* 1000cc Honda / sorrymate.com Racing 21 08.85 107.048 01 41 40.36 111.328
41 69 CR Gittere* 1000cc Honda / DP Coldplaning/TCR Honda 21 57.94 103.061 01 45 13.51 107.569
RE: [split] Nothing to do with Eddie Nelson, - Don Simons - 23-06-2009
George you appear from this distance to be defending the indefensible and painting yourself into a corner. They may be your drinking buddies for all I know but such disrespect for officials is completely out of order. Acknowledging your right to complain however, the majority of reports from the Island do not support your somewhat excited contentions. That such emotive claims have been allowed to continue on this website show a remarkable amount of tolerance by the moderator. Good luck with your campaign.
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RE: [split] Nothing to do with Eddie Nelson, - George - 23-06-2009
Don. I would be the first to hold my hand up, but please explaine how three riders can complete the last lap at racing speed if the red flags were out, only one was disqualified. Take a look at the results for laps 5 & 6, the published times dont lie.
Agreed break the rules and your out, but it has to apply to all.
RE: [split] Nothing to do with Eddie Nelson, - Malcolm - 23-06-2009
OK, that's enough on this subject now.
I have been extremely tolerant of the to'ing and fro'ing over this matter and am of the opinion that there is nothing further to be gained by "beating the same isue to death" without any substantiation from either the personnel and/or officials who were directly involved.
This topic is now "locked" meaning no more postings on it will be accepted.
Any new threads that are initiated on the same topic will be immediately deleted.
Malcolm