arzed Wrote:I agree, Cargo. I have only PM'd it to one person. Unfortunately someone has already given out one of the links. Doing that will guarantee it will be stopped.

Shitoffa Shovel Wrote:MM said;;

Quote:those of you who have followed the TT for more than five minutes,

I see from the user list you registered exactly 5 minutes after I did,,,,,,What exactly is your point ?

Regards

SS,,,,,,,,,,,,,

JRA Wrote:

Moan Moan Wrote:

Shitoffa Shovel Wrote:After digesting 'Moan Moan's' reply I thought better of adding to the impending blast from forum users and I decided to subscribe to the 'TT Live' service knowing full well it did have teething problems last year.

I now have a very slow acting dashboard, No Videos to watch, a murky 3 point web cam shot of the start and finnish, and the thing I subscribed for in the first place 'Manx Radio' suffering a hardware failure. For someone who has put his money where his mouth is , I don't think this is good enough.

Am I likely to get any sort of re fund ? I doubt it.

I look forward to MM's views on this subject........

Regards

SS,,,,

I think you should all get a refund for when it isnt working. So, maximum of £20 for the whole festival, that's 11 days of practice and race coverage, will get you a refund of about £1.82 for the day it didn't work. Although it was fixed about halfway through the session, so perhaps call it a quid. Now your only problem is deciding what to spend all that lovely cash on.

Moan Moan. You miss the point. Its not just about your calculated cost for each individual, (although you may wish to apply your accountancy skills to the value for money we who do come across receive from the Steam Packet) its about the significant sums made by Duke overall from this. They are not doing this for our benefit are they.

Suggestion - why don't Duke calculate how much they make from subscribers for when the service is unavailable or not fully working and instead of refunding, they donate that to good causes eg the Joey Dunlop Foundation or the Helicopter Fund.

FC Wrote:

arzed Wrote:I agree, Cargo. I have only PM'd it to one person. Unfortunately someone has already given out one of the links. Doing that will guarantee it will be stopped.

Its still working

cargo Wrote:

FC Wrote:

arzed Wrote:I agree, Cargo. I have only PM'd it to one person. Unfortunately someone has already given out one of the links. Doing that will guarantee it will be stopped.

Its still working

Sorry Colin but your link is now broadcasting only Manx radio FM just like mine
We've been gazumped

The Bag Wrote:Moan Moan (no real name posted??) , I think you're being a bit harsh saying that ' we can't be bothered' to come over to the TT. I for one have to work for a living and am also not fortunate enough to have the TT on my doorstep, I will more than likely and as I have for the last 15 years be coming over, at great expense to assist a rider in the MGP. Radio isn't subsidised by the Manx tax payer by more than a few pence each and afterall you get it all year and can still listen to it on your radio FREE during TT, these stations are businesses and as pointed out by someone else in this thread they carry ALOT of adverts. I don't and wouldn't complain if YOU as a MANX person wish to tune into my local station (which could via DAB) and I certainly wouldn't expect you to pay for it if you did. I've been coming to the TT and MGP since 1986 and have spent an absolute fortune doing so, I don't think its alot to ask to be able to listen to the practice commentary without lining the pockets of The Dukes? I'm not asking for live free race video footage, just to able to listen to a radio station that is free all year round. BBC should have been given it so that they could have done similar to the NW200. It kept shutting down like Dukes, which was very frustrating but at least it was free and you could watch that to?
Cheers
Russ Henley

steve-e Wrote:It didn't stop it last year when it was posted on the front of my site.
I've paid for live! with only really the intention of using it last night and tonight as we're off over in the morning so for me it's at a 50% failure rate so far.
Tax payers covering the cost of the radio.. someone's getting well paid if its costing that much to run, it's got more adverts on it than any commercial station round here. And why play music DURING practice? Do that before and after, while practice is on and my mates are out on circuit I want to know they're ok.

FC Wrote:You are talking through your hoop my boy, the NW was broadcast by the BBC and we on the Island pay the licence fee. By broadacsting the TT over the net will get to those that have never seen or been to the TT, thus making great promo. Also think about those that cant get here due to lack of available travel and Hotels. Most of the adds on Radio TT are aimed at non residents and the like so Radio TT are getting a nice little earner on the extra air time adds.

FC Wrote:Some firms make a lot of money from the TT, Duke Marketing have it all regarding vidio/TV. By charging people to listen to a radio station that is already paid for is taking the 'pee', you can only rape something for short time not all the time. We are not going on about TV but Radio. ( Greenlight done the NW for the BBC).

Web cams here http://www.manxradio.com/readNEwsItem.aspx?id=20838

Quote:You are absolutely right to say I was being a bit harsh, and I apologise to all those who can't make it to the TT this year - I forget sometimes how privileged I am to live here.
The situation is that Manx Radio is funded to the tune of £1 million a year by taxpayers in the Isle of Man, and makes the rest of its income from advertising sales. Advertising equates to less than 50 per cent of the station budget.
While I appreciate the offer of listening to your local stations for free, I'd point out fully commercial stations are entirely self-funding so I wouldn't be relying on compulsory part-funding by taxpayers while local BBC radio stations are funded by the licence fee, which we have to pay in the Isle of Man despite not benefitting from the same level of service as the UK.
When you say 'lining the pockets of The Dukes' what do you mean? The maximum cost of TT Live is £20. Part of that must, surely, go to Manx Radio, which is providing the commentary, some to Greenlight TV, which is providing the race highlight videos during race week, and then there is the cost the increased bandwidth, staffing overtime, new webcams etc etc etc.
How much money do you think The Dukes are taking home from each subscription after costs have been met? And why do you begrudge Duke a small profit? It's not like they are alone in making a bit of money out of the TT, amd I've yet to see them inflate thier prices just for the TT as many other traders do. A DVD is going to cost punters the same in TT week as it does the rest of the year, and I don't think anyone could call £20 for a fortnight-long service excessive.
And how can you possibly say BBC's coverage of the NW200 was free? It was 'free' to those outside the licence fee paying area or those who simply don't pay their licence fee, but it was paid for by all licence payers, including those who have no interest in road racing.

The Bag Wrote:

Quote:You are absolutely right to say I was being a bit harsh, and I apologise to all those who can't make it to the TT this year - I forget sometimes how privileged I am to live here.
The situation is that Manx Radio is funded to the tune of £1 million a year by taxpayers in the Isle of Man, and makes the rest of its income from advertising sales. Advertising equates to less than 50 per cent of the station budget.
While I appreciate the offer of listening to your local stations for free, I'd point out fully commercial stations are entirely self-funding so I wouldn't be relying on compulsory part-funding by taxpayers while local BBC radio stations are funded by the licence fee, which we have to pay in the Isle of Man despite not benefitting from the same level of service as the UK.
When you say 'lining the pockets of The Dukes' what do you mean? The maximum cost of TT Live is £20. Part of that must, surely, go to Manx Radio, which is providing the commentary, some to Greenlight TV, which is providing the race highlight videos during race week, and then there is the cost the increased bandwidth, staffing overtime, new webcams etc etc etc.
How much money do you think The Dukes are taking home from each subscription after costs have been met? And why do you begrudge Duke a small profit? It's not like they are alone in making a bit of money out of the TT, amd I've yet to see them inflate thier prices just for the TT as many other traders do. A DVD is going to cost punters the same in TT week as it does the rest of the year, and I don't think anyone could call £20 for a fortnight-long service excessive.
And how can you possibly say BBC's coverage of the NW200 was free? It was 'free' to those outside the licence fee paying area or those who simply don't pay their licence fee, but it was paid for by all licence payers, including those who have no interest in road racing.

Firstly thanks for acknowledging that we're not all TT dodgers but actually just people who would rather be there than here at work and my rantings are based upon I'd rather be there than here
I think to be fair, the residents of The Isle of Man DO get the same level of service from the BBC than I do here in Nottingham, you as I do, get BBC1 BBC2 TV, Radio 1 Radio 2 Radio 3 Radio 4 etc, the only thing that you don't get on the Isle of man is BBC Radio IOM, I get BBC Radio Nottingham, but this station is not to be listened to until you are at least 75 years old!!

Also in parts of the IOM you can get BBCNI and don't have to rely on watching the NW200 ( should you wish to) via the internet or Virgin TV (a service which costs me £38 a month for broadband and TV for BBCNI which without I would not have been able to see the NW200).
The BBCNI broadcast was free, based upon the fact that I HAD to buy a licence anyway, I had no choice in that.
Dukes profits I'm sure won't be small, if they were to work for 'small profits' we'd have had a MGP vid last year.
My reasons for not wishing to, as I described it 'wanting to line their pockets' is simple.
A few years ago when the internet had become popular, an offer was made by a person associated to this site (whose name I will not mention in case the said person does not wish to be named in this thread) to run, for FREE (actually at this persons expense) the OFFICIAL TT SITE, but surprisingly the 'job' was given to DUKE. Ok to a point, but as everyone who goes on these sites regularly will be able to vouch THE OFFICIAL SITE was not updated from one year to the next and was indeed for 2 years not even updated during TT until the end of the event? (who remembers that??) Even now apart from during the event there is little updating or info appearing on THE OFFICIAL SITE, whereas THIS site is updated at least twice a week out of season and as often as 2 or 3 times a day during the TT and MGP.
A small and maybe petty gripe it maybe, but as far as I'm concerned it was and still is a ploy to stitch up the whole media rights of the TT.
Enjoy it afterall its FREE for YOU
Cheers
Russ