(23-07-2009, 05:48 PM)scruffy Wrote: A Pit Lane Speed Restriction of 60 kph has been established and will be in operation during the 2009 Manx Grand Prix races.

Pit Lane - New Speed Limit - 60kph
At the entrance to the Pit Lane the Stop Box has been removed.

Just before the start of the Armco Barrier there is a Single White Line with a board at each side indicating 60 kph. From this point until the Pit Lane Exit - which is indicated by a White Line with a board at each side with the 60kph crossed out, the speed limit is 60kph.
This speed limit will be controlled by transponder loops in the Pit Lane.

There will be sanctions for any competitor breaking the speed limit as follows:

61kph - 80kph - a time penalty of 30 seconds.
81kph - 100kph - a time penalty of 60 seconds
Over 100 kph - disqualification from the race.

These penalties will be a matter of fact with no right of protest or appeal.

Phil Taubman
Clerk of the Course


Read this on another site, checked iommgp site and no mention???????????

You'll have to put a speedo on it, Brian !!

(23-07-2009, 08:32 PM)larryd Wrote:

(23-07-2009, 05:48 PM)scruffy Wrote: A Pit Lane Speed Restriction of 60 kph has been established and will be in operation during the 2009 Manx Grand Prix races.

Pit Lane - New Speed Limit - 60kph
At the entrance to the Pit Lane the Stop Box has been removed.

Just before the start of the Armco Barrier there is a Single White Line with a board at each side indicating 60 kph. From this point until the Pit Lane Exit - which is indicated by a White Line with a board at each side with the 60kph crossed out, the speed limit is 60kph.
This speed limit will be controlled by transponder loops in the Pit Lane.

There will be sanctions for any competitor breaking the speed limit as follows:

61kph - 80kph - a time penalty of 30 seconds.
81kph - 100kph - a time penalty of 60 seconds
Over 100 kph - disqualification from the race.

These penalties will be a matter of fact with no right of protest or appeal.

Phil Taubman
Clerk of the Course


Read this on another site, checked iommgp site and no mention???????????

You'll have to put a speedo on it, Brian !!

(24-07-2009, 12:57 AM)Gstarron Wrote: Hmmmm in some cases there WILL be a big benefit of not having to stop... like the Paton's and MV's really need any additional advantage over the singles...? They should keep the stop box, IMNSHO.. Ahem.. nuff said..

(24-07-2009, 08:49 AM)an old man returns Wrote: This is a farce..........

Perhaps who ever thought this up used the piece of string method.

It is bordering on the impossible to judge 60kph after riding at speed. Just think what it feels like after driving at 70mph on the motorway then pulling onto the slip road..............

The MGP rules state give way to riders leaving their pits, should a rider not do this penalise that rider. The rule is in place but to my knowledge the officials have never NEVER used it to penalise a rider. The officials are able to make judgement of dangerous riding in the pits, so why don't they.......all it takes is a pitlane camera for monitoring and job done. If the rider in question wishes to appeal let that happen.

Phil Taubman says no right of protest or appeal, presume proof will be presented to the offending rider or are we back to the piece of string again.

Flippin crackers

Erm speedometers if mounted must be covered over according ACU rules/handbook.

(24-07-2009, 09:11 AM)shipleymanx Wrote:

(24-07-2009, 08:49 AM)an old man returns Wrote: This is a farce..........

Perhaps who ever thought this up used the piece of string method.

It is bordering on the impossible to judge 60kph after riding at speed. Just think what it feels like after driving at 70mph on the motorway then pulling onto the slip road..............

The MGP rules state give way to riders leaving their pits, should a rider not do this penalise that rider. The rule is in place but to my knowledge the officials have never NEVER used it to penalise a rider. The officials are able to make judgement of dangerous riding in the pits, so why don't they.......all it takes is a pitlane camera for monitoring and job done. If the rider in question wishes to appeal let that happen.

Phil Taubman says no right of protest or appeal, presume proof will be presented to the offending rider or are we back to the piece of string again.

Flippin crackers

Erm speedometers if mounted must be covered over according ACU rules/handbook.

I know this sounds like stating the obvious but would it be possible to install a mobile speed camera with a display so at least the riders have a fair chance of keeping to the limit. also i think they should have kept the stop box as well.

(24-07-2009, 09:35 AM)andy kirk Wrote: i have been told if they did not do this (get rid of stop box introduce speed limit etc) no PERMIT for the manx g.p would be issued this is from the top FIM not THE acu.
i,am told there where many issues at this years t.t (even 1 rider riding the wrong way up the pit lane during a race!!) so this is why this has been brought in.

o.k so quick trip to the dyno 2/3 gear find out what revs to jugde what is 60kph might go to 50kph personally or quick trip round the ind est behind your mate doing 60 kph and jugde it from that job done. 30 secs will take some finding on the road!!

(24-07-2009, 01:21 PM)smokey125 Wrote: The problem with a speed sign is who is it referring to? With a limit of 60kph you could quite easily have 5 or 6 riders travelling in the pit lane at the same time!
The best idea I’ve seen so far is on iomtt thread where somebody suggested a system of flashing lights to judge your speed against. Simple cheap and quite quick to install.

I can see the reason for it having had a pit near the bottom end of pit lane a couple of years ago. Being on a stroker I needed a push, my pit crew were quite intimidated by the speed of the bikes passing them whilst they pushed me.
Although having said that I think it could cause me real problems as below 5000 the 125 will flood due to the powerjet set up and by 6500 I’m doing over 60kph. Might be pushing the bike down pit lane!

There is one last thing to think about. The statement says it will be controlled by transponder loops. Ok this works well but is entirely dependant on how many loops you have if there is just one at the start and one at the end then no problem. As it won’t matter how fast you go you will never exceed 60kph due to the amount of time your stationary re-fuelling!

(24-07-2009, 01:51 PM)shipleymanx Wrote:

(24-07-2009, 01:21 PM)smokey125 Wrote: The problem with a speed sign is who is it referring to? With a limit of 60kph you could quite easily have 5 or 6 riders travelling in the pit lane at the same time!
The best idea I’ve seen so far is on iomtt thread where somebody suggested a system of flashing lights to judge your speed against. Simple cheap and quite quick to install.

I can see the reason for it having had a pit near the bottom end of pit lane a couple of years ago. Being on a stroker I needed a push, my pit crew were quite intimidated by the speed of the bikes passing them whilst they pushed me.
Although having said that I think it could cause me real problems as below 5000 the 125 will flood due to the powerjet set up and by 6500 I’m doing over 60kph. Might be pushing the bike down pit lane!

There is one last thing to think about. The statement says it will be controlled by transponder loops. Ok this works well but is entirely dependant on how many loops you have if there is just one at the start and one at the end then no problem. As it won’t matter how fast you go you will never exceed 60kph due to the amount of time your stationary re-fuelling!

I agree we run two strokes, think we will push to end, then get him to drop the clutch, only joking, but seriously two strokes will not clear their cases at that speed. The rider needs some indication of how fast he is going, as without that most will end up speeding. I do wish they would ask the riders their views on how to best solve these situations.

(24-07-2009, 09:35 AM)andy kirk Wrote: i have been told if they did not do this (get rid of stop box introduce speed limit etc) no PERMIT for the manx g.p would be issued this is from the top FIM not THE acu.
i,am told there where many issues at this years t.t (even 1 rider riding the wrong way up the pit lane during a race!!) so this is why this has been brought in.

o.k so quick trip to the dyno 2/3 gear find out what revs to jugde what is 60kph might go to 50kph personally or quick trip round the ind est behind your mate doing 60 kph and jugde it from that job done. 30 secs will take some finding on the road!!