GriffMuss
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22-06-2006, 11:50 PM |
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thewitch
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Ah, well, time for an ice cream!
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23-06-2006, 06:52 AM |
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Marco
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Bill, many thanks for the reply. Yes, Ballagarraghyn was a big jump now disappeared. It would be interesting to try and understand *when* it disappeared from the TT course. It must be disappeared before the 60's as Ray Knight, whose TT course career started in 1962, in his 1974's book do not mention it (while he mentions it in his 1989's).
About the shot of Graham's shot, is it this?: http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/9163/lg...9539bd.jpg
It's a shot from 1953 TT practice that portrays Graham on the 500cc. MV on which he would have found his death few days later.
Also in your "The Tourist Trophy in old photogtaphs" there is a beautiful shot of Jock West flying at Ballagarraghyn in 1948.
About the Ballaspur's jump, it's really a pity that you do not have a shot from that place. Knight describes it as a very spectacular spot!
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23-06-2006, 09:12 AM |
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Marco
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Don, yes I saw that famous videoclip of "Milky" Quayle's accident: http://www.bernd-bouillon.de/html/streckenkarte.html
It's difficult to understand if the cause of the front wheel's lifting was the contact on the wall on the left hand or a wrong riding approach to the remaining difference in level of the road. The right hypothesis should also explain the fact that Richard had his arms in the air.
About Graham, it would be great to see the shot you're speaking about!
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23-06-2006, 01:02 PM |
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You are right Marco. A book COULD be written on the changes to the course, even the changes in the last 31years. Anyway, there is no way that the front wheel comes airborne at Ballaspur today, the reason for Milky's crash would probably be misjudgement at the "new" high speeds the riders travel at.In fairness to Milky, why don't we ask him what caused the accident? In 1975 Ballaspur was "flat out" on a TD2B, and it was a pretty good feeling to feel the front wheel lifting.
Anyway, on to Glen Audlyn. There was a super photo of John Surtees in the 1960 Senior TT taken at this spot. So it must have been "flattened out" around 1962, since if you hit the spot today in the way that J.S. was riding, you wouldn't land before Ramsey Docks.
What nobody has recognised is the fact that the bikes reach Glen Audlyn after Milntown doing about 150-160mph, whereas any British single from the early 60's would be travelling at about 100-110mph,and an Italian Multi about 10mph more than that. It's the same all the way round the course. Sections that were flattened out, still have the basic contour in the road, and now we're going 50mph faster, the same proportionate lift if taking place.
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23-06-2006, 11:22 PM |
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Marco
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Don, they are FANTASTIC shots! Almost touching shots, yes. Thanks.
About picture 4., I remember a shot (published on the Snelling's and Kneale's "The History of the Manx Grand Prix 1923-1998") that potrays "Crasher" White at _Union Mills Bridge_ (according to Bill's caption) in 1934 MGP. It's a place similar to that of picture 4.
About the shots from Clady, they are superbe. They were taken on the legendary 7 mile long straight of Clady, weren't they? That was a straight, perhaps the longest straight in motorcycle history, but with an incredible numbers of high speed bumps! I remember to have read an interesting tale about those jumps in an old autobiography of John Surtees (I think John was one of the few men in the history to have raced on Clady, on the TT corse, on the Le Mans circuit, and on the Madonie (Targa Florio) circuit.
About Graham. Yes, he was an hero. When I went to the isle of Man for the 2003 TT races I had a beautiful speach with an old marshal at the bottom of Bray Hill. He said me that he was just there when Graham was killed ad the start of the second lap of the 1953 Senior TT race. And he gave me his version of the accident. That of Graham was an horrifying accident. The old marshal said me that Graham hit a manhole cover on the road (just that he was indicating me!) while he was overtaking an other TT rider (Brown?). Then he fatally crashed against the walls on Quarter Bridge road, just after the bottom of Bray Hill.
As you know other version of the accident speaks of a mechanical failure of the front suspension of the MV. It's not impossible that those two versions must be logically conjuncted to obtain the truth.
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24-06-2006, 12:46 PM |
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thewitch
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Your visit to Bray Hill is a high point of Harry's TT, Marco.
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24-06-2006, 12:49 PM |
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