First of all, to reply to Shaun Hogg, I agree, this year's TT was fantastic and I wasn't knocking it or any others. Just giving a little known real road race in Holland an airing. Perhaps I should have started a new thread. But also, it's true to say there still are 125s about because that is what you have to learn on, so maybe they could race 4 stroke 125s, but I know nothing of the feasibility of that, so let others put me in my place. To answer The Witch, you can see loads of photos of Hengelo if you search Hamove.nl - sorry, don't know how to put the proper site address on here. It's all in Dutch but look for Wegraces and foto's and you should get there. As for getting through the mud in tact, clingfilm - around the tyres and the rider's boots and we got him to the start mud free. Cracking circuit and big crowds despite the weather. Well worth a visit.