Derek Minter was out practising a Gilera and came off at the run down between Brandish and Hillberry if my memory is still working---I think the year was 1966 or could it have been 1964 the year after the Scuderia Duke Gileras came out of mothballs under Phil Read and John Hartle--I think it was 1966-

John Hartle dropped his MV Agusta right beside me at the section between Cronk-ny-Mona and Signpost--
He was No22 and I have a picture taken by me of the actual tumble which caused him to retire..

I am just back from a hard days work so I need a while to have my meal and then I will post the proper dates for both----Unless anyone out there can BEAT ME !!- Theres a challenge !! you have 30 minutes !!!