Very good points by Norstar. I just wish that the commitee would listen to all of us who have experience of the manx and must be able to offer valued opinions. Some of us filled in the survey that Harvey Garton did a few years ago. i mentioned in that, about a wet weather qualifying time, nothing ever came back until the classic riders meeting at the manx this year, when they said they may look at it. It is things like this when riders who close to the qualyfying times in the wet, only to be knocked back by a small margin. When we all know they are more than capable of the times in the dry. I have often said i don't think they have any idea what effort it takes to prepare for the manx, then to be possibly knocked back when only seconds off, no wonder riders are thinking it is not worth it. They should visit a club like Aintree, who do everything they can to help you ride. I know things have improved over the years, but the commitee have got to realise that the draw of the mountain course, as strong as it is, may not be enough to justify the cost.