Thanks. Sticks and HammerHead didn't recognise it from that angle a place I have only ever watched from once , like I said love this thread , and the other thing about the thread is how the numbers start to fall too fast and they are a constant reminder that time is ticking by and you still have loads to do before you get on that boat , how on earth the guys and gals that have to get a race bike ready do it I can't imagine, I would have no chance me