Thanks all - much appreciated ... Matthew from Gregsons has been very helpful and prompt from the start so i'm thinking i'll get him paid - i'm happy to pay this so we have wheels in motion and gives us time to finalise design. font location etc, fixing won't be a problem as Matthew has done this before and has offered to help, i've got more time this week so i'll have a mooch at B'gow top and hopefully catch up with Chris too ... just off for some relaxing paddleboarding out and around Bradda Head at Port Erin....... best TT/MGP rgds Alfie.