Now here's a question for someone to answer.

Who actually owns the trophies ?

Seeing as they are insured for an awful lot of money, means that they must be worth a lot of money. In the event that one goes missing for some unknown reason, who makes a claim on the insurance ?

The reason that I ask this question is that last night in the Claremont Hotel, Securicor delivered and retrieved the trophy that was on display, and on a box it stated on a plate "ACU" ????????????

Surely that cannot be right, they belong to the TT and the Isle of Man, how and why do the ACU have their "hands upon them" ??????

Who actualyy owns these trophies ????????

There can be no doubt that Jim Parker would like to own them.Good question though.Anybody know?

I have asked this very question to a number of top officials and the answer i got was they are owned and insured by the Auto Cycle Union
and believed to bet worth in excess of 1,000,000.00 pounds or so i was reliabley informed by the powers that be at the Bike Show last year.
I dont think they should be owned by the ACU as they are TT Trophy,s and should belong to the TT Races and the Isle of Man......irish Ago :shock:

The Isle of Man Government has been losing its heritage hand over fist, in the last 12 months.

It is about time they started asserting themselves. The contents of that treasure trove at the bungalow is dispersed, now Ralph Bryan's memorabilia is about to be lost on Ebay.

In the future the Manx people are going to ask what the hell were their politicians doing in 2005/2006.

I cry for what is being lost; if the Isle of Man has got anything it is the TT, for God's sake don't let it slip away.

History, nostalgia and heroes translate into tourist bucks, get your act together and establish that TT museum now, what better time to turn the first sod than 2007.

I think we should remember that at the beginning it was the ACU, not the Isle of Man which initiated, ran and developed the TT races. They had a different set of values and priorities then. The trophies which were given by people like the Marquis de whateveritwas...can never spell it...to the ACU. So, they do belong to them. However, they are so arrogant and unpleasant about it now, and there is no excuse for that, as they are supposed to be a representative and regulatory body for the sport, not a private club. A bit of accountability would be nice.

The Trophies are owned and kept by the Isle of Man. The reason the ACU's name is on the box, is because it is the original box and these are the original trophies, from when the ACU started the TT.

There is no big conspiracy theory I'm afraid, no matter how hard you try to find one.

Paul

Those trophies were won by heroes, the cups and medals may be owned by some legal entity but what is more important is the celebration of the memory of these great people.
In Greece and Rome their images were carved in marble and their deeds were inscribed for all generations by the greatest artists of the day.
Now what are we doing for Bob Mac or Joey Dunlop?
Sadly bugg*r all!
The Italians for one would never let their heroes be treated so shabbily.

We need more for the TT than the fading memories of a few old codgers who hobble out to the Mountain Course as long as their legs will carry them.
Who will be left to carry the flame in a hundred years from now?
The Isle of Man and every enthusiast owes them a permanent memorial.

"I have come to the conclusion that politics are too serious a matter to be left to the politicians."
Charles De Gaulle (1890 - 1970)

Very true Don perhaps you would look at this site http://www.racingmotorcycles.co.uk

sorry the website was wwwracing-motorcycles.co.uk

Are there any TT or Manx GP trophies or awards which are no longer presented ??

Like the "fastest-three-cylinder-two-stroke-not-made-in-Japan-cup" for instance !!

If there are any trophies gathering dust can they be listed, or realigned for use or have they been consigned to a shelf somewhere, never to see the light of day anymore ??

Joking a side Ian, but I think DKW actually built a three cylinder two stroke engine :!:

Yes, DKW did in fact build a 3 cylinder 2 stroke which later on in further development became the basis for a 6 cylinder 2 stroke.

Some futrther info on this follows:-

A 1000cc 2-stroke V-6 engine was developed for additional power in 1960 by combining two 3-cylinder engines. The capacity was gradually increased to 1300cc and the last V-6 engines were built in 1966.

The 1300cc version actually had a capacity of 1280cc with a 62.5mm bore and 70mm stroke. The engine developed 83 HP at 5000rpm and had a compression ratio of 9,5 : 1 with maximum torque of 15,4kg/m at 3400rpm.

While the standard configuration was with two carburettors which produced 83 HP, a four carburettor version was also built and tested which produced 100 HP and a six carburettor version produced 130 HP with the 1300cc capacity. However, most of the engines were fitted with two carburettors.

The engine was very light and weighed only 84kg. An Engineer by the name of Muller was the driving force behind this engine, which was supposed to be used in the Munga and the F-102.

Approximately 100 V-6 engines were built for testing in DKW cars. 13 DKW F-102 were fitted with the V-6 engine in the sixties. At least one F-102 with the V-6 engine and two Auto Union 1000SP's which belonged to Mr Muller have survived to this day. A number of Munga's were also fitted with the V-6 engine at the factory in Ingoldstadt, as the German army
expressed a keen interest in the more powerful engine.

Mr Martin Hesse (a specialist DKW cars and parts dealer in Germany) bought his first V-6 engine in 1977 and fitted it to a DKW 1000 S. According to him the engine was very powerful with 100 HP. Top speed was a respectable 170 Km/h and 0-100 Km/h was achieved in 12 sec.