Well if it's not BSB or WSB it has to be Moto GP.

Moto GP have just announced their proposd programme for 2010 and guess what, the new Silverstone venue meeting is programmed for the week-end including the 6th June.

The 2010 TT is programmed for the 29th May through to the 11th June.

Now I wonder if the DoTL can convince Carmelo Espalita of DORNA to change his programme to ensure that the TT goes ahead without any loss of visitors to the 2010 event, and of course much needed revenue ?

Highly unlikely I would assume, as it is well know that Road Racing is "The Enemy" to Senor Espalita.

Looks like the DoTL will have their work cut out for next year with this one.

At least they won't have to fork out for Rossi to do a pointless parade lap - he'll be otherwise occupied!

Do you realy think it will make that much difference to TT numbers?
I was marshaling at the MotoGP last weekend and I would say without doubt 95% of people there were not the TT type.
The main thing that everyone comments on why the WILL NOT go to the TT is the cost of the ferry.
But having said that if you turned up on Sunday at Donington for the GP it was £65 to get in,£6 for a programme,£4.50 for a donkey burger,the toilets were free but my god they were TERRIBLE.
So I think if people realy wanted to get to the TT they could miss out a couple of BSB + MotoGP they could afford to go.

The thought that crosses my mind is that if the TT were to have fixed dates there may be an outside chance of other events working around them,as it is TT week moves every year.

This year TT fortnight began on May 30th,next year May 29th,the year after May28th etc and I don't think other event organisers are either aware of or even care about the TT.

There are simply too many countries vieing for a Moto GP round and who are prepared to throw huge sums of money around to get the event.

That said, as previously mentioned, the TT is without doubt a specialist event and will IMHO still attract a band of dedicated followers.However the real problem is getting the new blood to come,you can do Moto GP in a day but the TT really needs to be your annual holiday.Now if only it were cheaper to get here......................

Hmm, on one hand this sounds bad... and on the other, I see opportunity..!! One of the "issues" to me, is the lack of information regarding the TT (and MGP) is known over here in the states. I wonder if the IOM Tourism board has a good method of getting the word out.. not just to the states, but a lot of other countries as well..? Do they have a good connection with the travel agencies around the world..? Yes I agree the Ferry boat is price a bit high... but if you spread out that cost over the Fortnight, it is not that big an issue. And if the Tourism board could come up with some speciffic packages that include the Ferry boat, then it would be seemless.

I also think that a lot of people just do not know how "Magical" the IOM is.. or about the other attractions (golf, tennis, steam train, pubs, the Promenade, etc)..

I guess is what I am asking... is there an IOM brouchure that is sent out to different Travel agencies and travel boards..?? Are there articles about traveling to the IOM is all the bike trade magazines (around the world)..? There are only a few bike racing organizations in the states... contact all of them as well..?

Just me thinking out loud.... but... perhaps getting an ambassador to the IOM TT and MGP racing in as many countries as possible to spread the word..??

ALl I know, is that once a "newbie" has gone, they always talk about going back... it is NOT just me..!!!

Cheers..!!!!

Ron

(29-07-2009, 06:04 PM)beepee Wrote: The thought that crosses my mind is that if the TT were to have fixed dates there may be an outside chance of other events working around them,as it is TT week moves every year.

This year TT fortnight began on May 30th,next year May 29th,the year after May28th etc and I don't think other event organisers are either aware of or even care about the TT.

I thought the TT fortnight was fixed ie the Sunday at the beginning of practise week is allways the last Sunday in May and the Sunday of Race week,commonly known as 'mad Sunday' was allways the 1st Sunday in June. Of coarse dates for any event will change by a few days every year

(29-07-2009, 09:55 PM)Gstarron Wrote: Hmm, on one hand this sounds bad... and on the other, I see opportunity..!! One of the "issues" to me, is the lack of information regarding the TT (and MGP) is known over here in the states. I wonder if the IOM Tourism board has a good method of getting the word out.. not just to the states, but a lot of other countries as well..? Do they have a good connection with the travel agencies around the world..? Yes I agree the Ferry boat is price a bit high... but if you spread out that cost over the Fortnight, it is not that big an issue. And if the Tourism board could come up with some speciffic packages that include the Ferry boat, then it would be seemless.

I also think that a lot of people just do not know how "Magical" the IOM is.. or about the other attractions (golf, tennis, steam train, pubs, the Promenade, etc)..

I guess is what I am asking... is there an IOM brouchure that is sent out to different Travel agencies and travel boards..?? Are there articles about traveling to the IOM is all the bike trade magazines (around the world)..? There are only a few bike racing organizations in the states... contact all of them as well..?

Just me thinking out loud.... but... perhaps getting an ambassador to the IOM TT and MGP racing in as many countries as possible to spread the word..??

ALl I know, is that once a "newbie" has gone, they always talk about going back... it is NOT just me..!!!

Cheers..!!!!

Ron

I have been to Daytona many times and always bring DVDs out with me to show friends and to some of the competitors, They cant believe that we have such a race and would love to come.The costs US to UK aint to bad but when they try the costs UK to IOM it puts them off.
Very poor lack of information being put out.This years TT was goint to be broadcast into the USA, my mates over there tell me its not been ??????????????

You are quite right Arthur Mad Sunday is always the first Sunday in June,therefore the TT dates change.The races can take place,virtually,during the first 2 weeks of June or last week of May and 1st week of June.

The main point really is what awareness do other organisers have of the TT and as Gstarron says how much effort does the IOM put into telling the world.

(30-07-2009, 12:57 PM)George Wrote:

(29-07-2009, 09:55 PM)Gstarron Wrote: Hmm, on one hand this sounds bad... and on the other, I see opportunity..!! One of the "issues" to me, is the lack of information regarding the TT (and MGP) is known over here in the states. I wonder if the IOM Tourism board has a good method of getting the word out.. not just to the states, but a lot of other countries as well..? Do they have a good connection with the travel agencies around the world..? Yes I agree the Ferry boat is price a bit high... but if you spread out that cost over the Fortnight, it is not that big an issue. And if the Tourism board could come up with some speciffic packages that include the Ferry boat, then it would be seemless.

I also think that a lot of people just do not know how "Magical" the IOM is.. or about the other attractions (golf, tennis, steam train, pubs, the Promenade, etc)..

I guess is what I am asking... is there an IOM brouchure that is sent out to different Travel agencies and travel boards..?? Are there articles about traveling to the IOM is all the bike trade magazines (around the world)..? There are only a few bike racing organizations in the states... contact all of them as well..?

Just me thinking out loud.... but... perhaps getting an ambassador to the IOM TT and MGP racing in as many countries as possible to spread the word..??

ALl I know, is that once a "newbie" has gone, they always talk about going back... it is NOT just me..!!!

Cheers..!!!!

Ron

I have been to Daytona many times and always bring DVDs out with me to show friends and to some of the competitors, They cant believe that we have such a race and would love to come.The costs US to UK aint to bad but when they try the costs UK to IOM it puts them off.
Very poor lack of information being put out.This years TT was goint to be broadcast into the USA, my mates over there tell me its not been ??????????????

The TT coverage is being shown on Verizon FIOS HD in one hour programs over several weeks, at least on the East Coast. It's the same as that which was broadcast during the TT.

Mark

I don't think the TT has a problem with the dates clash, it is Moto GP that will have the problem.
Entries for Moto GP are falling, I think there are only 17 bikes entered at the moment. For next year Moto GP is thinking of allowing 1000cc Production engines to be used to try and get more entries. Where as the TT, has good entries etc, etc.

"GEORGE" it seems the good citizens of Florida do not share your rosy view of the Daytona races. This start shot of the 200 reveals many cat-swinging areas in the stands. Just a minute; do you have to pay to get into the Daytona Speedway? That must be a bit of a shock after the TT being free and all!!!

(31-07-2009, 08:40 AM)Don Simons Wrote: "GEORGE" it seems the good citizens of Florida do not share your rosy view of the Daytona races. This start shot of the 200 reveals many cat-swinging areas in the stands. Just a minute; do you have to pay to get into the Daytona Speedway? That must be a bit of a shock after the TT being free and all!!!

Interesting thought, Don. I wonder how it all equates. I know we grumble at times but (as somebody explained recently) you have to balance it out over the 2 week period. One way of saving money at the TT is going to M & S and get a take away food pack AND stay off the grog. Two questions. Is the Quid's Inn still in operation. Second Question.....How much does it cost to watch Daytona.
Ta
Jan

Jan it costs US $ 175 to get into Daytona but you have to fly to America first. Then you have to watch a load of "Good old Boys" parade around on their Harleys and Goldwings before you can watch the racing through binoculars. But I suppose if someone is paying for your beer then cost is no object. But if you want to see the greatest motorcycle roadracing in the world then the IOM has got it all and the ferry fare is less than the admission price to Daytona. And you pay nothing to get in for two weeks!


"It is a waste of time to be angry about my disability. One has to get on with life and I haven't done badly. People won't have time for you if you are always angry or complaining."
Stephen Hawking (1942 - ),

I think this may just draw a few more people here just for race week. They can get Moto GP in and come to the TT and only miss two races. Basically still see all the bikes that were racing on the Sarurday during the rest of the week anyway. I also think that Don has a fair point that the cost of entrance to Daytona is comparable to the cost of getting to the Isle of Man, and that doesn't include the cost of getting there in the first place, or hire of a car or bike for the time there. I think if you add these in then the TT is a far better option than some, as people have said somewhere else 'Doctors, dentists and weekend riders rolling around on the Gold Wings thinking they are real bikers. Then back to the suits on Monday'. I think that Daytona is more of a prace about than a real racing event.

But I guess George loves it as he keeps bringing it up. But good on him for showing them the DVD's but next time tell them how much ot cost you to get there, get in, get out and stay. Then they may just have a better idea. Or are they like so many that just can not be bothered to go anywhere as America has everything.

Well, sadly, Don is correct... there are about 100,000 "bikers" outside, many have not idea there is racing going on inside... and a few days before the "Pros" show up, there are a whole series of races all week, of which I have had the pleasre of (my bike) racing in the Vintage AHRMA events. And the last few years, I put pals from England on my bike as I think it nice to give someone from there an inexpensive chance to say they raced at Daytona..! One of the issues around Daytona is they have a lot of the activities and Vendor booths outside the track (no entry fee), so there is no incentive to pay to get in to the track.

OK, so in the end, it is all about how good the promotors are at getting people TO the races. The IOM is FREE once you get there with more racing and other activities than one can possibly take in..!!

3 weeks until first MGP practice, and my bike is still not ready... oh my......!!

Cheers..!!

Ron

a few years ago the moto gp at donno was the same weekend as skerries. bearing in mind i only live 12 miles from donington circuit, i went to skerries. depends where your first love is, roads or circuits. i could go and watch bsb at mallory [32 miles away], instead i drive 180 miles to aberdare every year. don't get me wrong, i love both types of racing, but do i want to stand 30 yards away or 30 inches away? no comparison really.
ade!

(02-08-2009, 01:11 PM)ade! Wrote: a few years ago the moto gp at donno was the same weekend as skerries. bearing in mind i only live 12 miles from donington circuit, i went to skerries. depends where your first love is, roads or circuits. i could go and watch bsb at mallory [32 miles away], instead i drive 180 miles to aberdare every year. don't get me wrong, i love both types of racing, but do i want to stand 30 yards away or 30 inches away? no comparison really.
ade!

My back garden looks down on oulton paddock,when bsb comes in may ,we scoot to olivers mount.