Ok you guys and girls, a little poser for you.

I was chatting to a client this morning about Roger Marshall.
Eventually we started to discuss "V 4 Victory", and whether Roger rode the V4s in the TT. I didn't think he had at first, but then it was pointed out to me that Roger was runner up to Joey in the 1984 Formula One race. Thus, surely he rode a V4 750 that day?
Although I was riding the TT in 1984, I didn't have an F1 bike, and just cannot remember the race.
I think that Roger rode a VF1000R in the Production race. Does that ring any bells?

1984 was my first visit to the Island, so I was green as grass and under an alcoholic haze the entire time. I remember watching V4-Victory in Duke's on Strand Street, though. It made a hell of an impression!

I think he must have done, wasn't that the first year that the cc limit was reduced to 750 from 1000? Suprised that he managed not to break it though

If I remember correctly there were a few BSA/Triumph triples dragged out of sheds to take advantage of the capacity drop?

Roger had 4 starts at TT84
Senior TT
TT Formula One
Classic TT
Production 751cc - 1500cc

Two finishes second to the late great Joey in the F1 and Senior
He DNF the others

Classic TT does of course NOT refer to old bikes.

V Four Victory was filmed during MGP practice in 1983 I think

Thanks for the replies. The Classic TT was actually called "The Premier Classic TT", I seem to recall.
I will look through my Silver Replicas and remind myself of what the ACU called it, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.
I think 1984 WAS the first year the capacity limit was reduced to 750. Did Roger ride a V4 in the F1?
Did he actually start in the Production race on a VFR1000R? I just cannot recall him on a V4 that year.

Based entirely on my (slightly dodgy) memory and a bit of lateral thinking I think he must have been on a V4 for the F1.

It was listed as a Honda, he was a works rider so I think that's the only option, although I seem to remember that someone, I'm sure it wasn't Honda, had a go at producing a budget racer around the CBX750 that was available at that time.

When Sticky re-appears I'm convinced he'll have a photo that will settle it. Over to you Sticky

There's a pic on his database entry on the old site of him riding a V4 in Rothmans colours.  All the old shots I'd scanned got lost when a hard drive went down a few weeks back - I'm still trying to recover as much as I can from it but haven't found any of the old ones yet

1984 may have been the year that Joey and Roger used the rs 850??.

Thanks Creg ny Baa. I reckon that Joey (and Roger) rode the 850s in 1983, same year as the film V 4 Victory.

Yes splashdown you are right regarding the rs 850, just found the programme from 1983 and Roger is entered in the formula 1 race on a 850 rs Honda. i know i should have the 84 programme somewhere.

This thread reminds me of a pub conversation a few years ago "was Roger Marshall the best rider never to have won a TT ?"  Perhaps more knowledgeable folk could answer.

I would think Jason Griffiths would be near the top of the list for nearly men, 9 TT podiums runner up 4 times 45 top Ten's  although he has won 3 Manx GP's. Cheers Matt 

Trevor Nation was the best "nearly" man for the Senior in 1986 - had the two Rogers (Marshall and Burnett) the works Honda men well beaten, on a private RG 500, then broke down.....then Marshall broke down (chain problems) handing it to Burnett... I was so disappointed for Trevor that day.

(29-11-2014, 02:16 PM)excollier Wrote: Trevor Nation was the best "nearly" man for the Senior in 1986 - had the two Rogers (Marshall and Burnett) the works Honda men well beaten, on a private RG 500, then broke down.....then Marshall broke down (chain problems) handing it to Burnett... I was so disappointed for Trevor that day.

Didn't nation bag the proddie race on the same day? I might be wrong but it rings a bell, (should know really as we were watching from quarterbridge, but the sands of time n all that)

Trevor Nation won the production race on a CBX 750 . I bought
one on the back of that. A good quick bike that upset a few GSXR's.

(30-11-2014, 12:34 PM)Hillpiece Wrote: Trevor Nation won the production race on a CBX 750 . I bought
one on the back of that. A good quick bike that upset a few GSXR's.

Don't know where the cbx 750s upset a few gsxr's but it certainly was not at the TT.

I seem to remember nation being on a suzuki in the proddie race on the 86 senior day

The sands of time have cleared a bit more now (well, to be honest I had a look on database) nation won big proddie race on a suzuki gsxr, that does find l ring a bell, I remember him bouncing into quarterbridge with the back wheel in the air on a slabby gsxr

(30-11-2014, 02:46 PM)cregnybaa Wrote:

(30-11-2014, 12:34 PM)Hillpiece Wrote: Trevor Nation won the production race on a CBX 750 . I bought
one on the back of that. A good quick bike that upset a few GSXR's.

Don't know where the cbx 750s upset a few gsxr's but it certainly was not at the TT.

Trevor Nation won the 750 production class on a CBX 750 backed by Oxford products in 1984.
I was there!

(30-11-2014, 03:13 PM)H2pots Wrote: The sands of time have cleared a bit more now (well, to be honest I had a look on database) nation won big proddie race on a suzuki gsxr, that does find l ring a bell, I remember him bouncing into quarterbridge with the back wheel in the air on a slabby gsxr

I think that was the same year that he rode that bike down to Villa Real in Portugal with a spare tyre strapped on the back and got a 5th (?) place in the world F1 championship race