Steady the Edward
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RE: What would you like to see changed for next year?
(01-07-2015, 11:38 AM)c iom tt Wrote: The only advantage of setting off in pairs would allow for a larger amount of riders to enter, but I dont think that is what the organisers want anyway.
With regards to the safety aspect of it, It is happening now anyway! How many times do we see riders circulating together, or pulling out of the pits together to blast off down Bray Hill.
I have some pictures I took at Ginger Hall of the second lap of the Superbike race that shows how close they are riding next to each other. I will post them tonight.
I think c iom tt if i read it right the idea was if they kept the entry at the same level and set them off in pairs that it should drastically reduce the amount of slow riders being caught by the fast men reducing the vast speed differential overtakes ( that for me is a concern , but that is just me ) at the expense of more evenly matched rider overtakes , a case of swings and roundabouts I suppose , for once I sit on the fence of this one , I am not sure which would be the best , but if pushed I think I would probably go for the starting in pairs , they do it in practice so nothing new to them, and dare I say it make the watching more exciting , and if it reduces the speed differential overtakes that I have worried about over the years then may be worth a try , but that's just me being me , will we ever see it happen I very much doubt it
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01-07-2015, 01:28 PM |
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RE: What would you like to see changed for next year?
(01-07-2015, 06:46 PM)Dogsbody Wrote: Just reduce the interval to 5 seconds. Would have the same effect as starting in pairs. Dogsbody
I'd like to see-
No Subarus
one 600 race (bored with proddy bikes)
one sidecar race (don't like slidys)
no leccy bikes (dead end and so polluting)
no superbikes (pointless expense and danger)
so 4 exisiting classes plus add a new class for Moto 2/3 or whatever - proper race bikes and anything goes (H2R?) in the senior
Make all the races 8 laps with a le mans start and 120 starters in three waves - would give the 100 or so marshalls at ballecraine something to do and Eddy something to think about (incoming!!!) - nobody would care about the start numbers cos nobody will have a scoobies anyway. Let the Marshalls on the mountain clear off under waved yellows when they get bored and cold.
Start the race in any conditions as long as the jellycopters can fly
All newcomers to do a manx first no matter who they are
oh and bring back some 2 strokes, how about a 3 lap on the clypse course with 7 speed 50cc's - imagine the noise and the smell
Yeh i know it will just keep turniing into a boring corporate PR bucket list bore-fest at which the odd bit of road racing will be tolerated until they run out of corners to 'improve' to make sure the lap record keeps dropping
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01-07-2015, 07:23 PM |
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DiBTT
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RE: What would you like to see changed for next year?
I must admit I am surprised how many people want to go back to the bikes going off as per the program/race guide. I thought it was just me! When you cant follow the riders and the space to write the lap by lap placing is way too small there is almost no point in having the race guide. When you look around you hardly see any one with one these days. Its very hard to follow who is where in my opinion. I hate to say it but its getting to look like a practice session to me. Please revert to the old method.
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02-07-2015, 03:41 PM |
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Splashdown
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RE: What would you like to see changed for next year?
This numbers fiasco won't go away. I have already declared that I won't watch another race with this ridiculous system.
A race can only be followed by an iphone/computer, so you may as well stay at home, or (if you're on the Island, from a comfy café). Yes I realise that you lose the atmosphere and the excitement of watching the live action, but it is impossible to gauge how the riders from the back of the field, (who are just as important as the front runners), are performing without an iphone.
With the old system, (currently reinstated at the Manx/Classic), the whole race is easy to follow. OK, you may need a stopwatch if No. 75 is gaining on rider No. 20, but you soon get the hang of it, by referring to No20's and No.75's start time, and doing a little bit of maths. Great fun!
Now the very expensive programme is out of date, as the starting order relates to the practice. This also puts excess pressure on any competitor in qualifying, especially when they're trying to lap quickly when, (a), they don't know the course, and (b), they are experiencing problems with the bike. In addition the valuable spectator can only follow the top 20, who will obviously be doing some overtaking.
During the race, there is still the massive problem of lapped riders, and that is the biggest problem of all.
When you start No. 35, you may well catch No.34, but "hey ho", that's racing for you. You may get held up, but "hey ho", that's racing for you. What the top boys have is fixed numbers, and "hey ho", they pass and re-pass folk, but that's racing.
The only problem is the lapping of riders, and I agree that is a safety issue, but there again, "hey ho", that's racing!!
I am the first to vote for a reasonable safety issue to put in place, but this ludicrous system has done nothing to enhance safety, as proven by the MD accident at the Nook.
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03-07-2015, 02:31 PM |
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HammerHead
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RE: What would you like to see changed for next year?
(03-07-2015, 02:31 PM)Splashdown Wrote: The only problem is the lapping of riders, and I agree that is a safety issue, but there again, "hey ho", that's racing!!
I am the first to vote for a reasonable safety issue to put in place, but this ludicrous system has done nothing to enhance safety, as proven by the MD accident at the Nook.
Maybe Michael was unlucky, but on the whole don't the faster riders usually say it's easier getting past a "back marker" than a direct competitor due to the speed differential?
You only have to look at the video of Hutchy passing MD to realise that any passing creates a safety issue, but as you say "hey ho" that's racing.
"There is nothing so momentary as a sporting achievement, and nothing so lasting as the memory of it."
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03-07-2015, 03:34 PM |
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