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RE: Is TT sustainable
Some interesting comments.
I am just back home after an 'Odd' TT.
In my opinion, the TT is evolving and changing, some for the good, some not so. As for racing in the rain? I have mixed views. On one hand, the 600, Superstock, and Superbike are far to powerful to be running around in the rain, and that is another problem, no variety in classes, they all look and sound the same, and are not that different in lap times. A smaller/ lower powered class may help?
Then there is those that attend ( I will refrain from calling them all fans )
From my observations this year, there seem to be less and less 'Fans/enthusiasts' and more ' event' people.
At Gorselea, there were about 20 bikes in the field, and about 40 cars. On the stretch I was watching from, there were only three of us with radios ( about 30 people) and two of us with programs. At Sarahs ( never watched from there before, went twice) I was the only one with a programe, and again, two radios. Quarry bends was the same, two radios, and two program's.
I watched the Senior from Marown Church, lots more bikes, but I only saw one other person with a program, and when the batterys went flat on my radio, it almost was silent. There was a young couple sitting next to me ( didnt look like bikers) she was asleep in here chair with a coat over her head for the whole race, and I dont think he looked up from his phone for the whole 6 laps even when there were bikes going past.
It s going to interesting next year to see what happens with attendance. As much as I dont agree with them, I will bet there were quite a few VIPs not happy this year, especially the ones who paid for a lap in the cars on closed roads.
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Alfie Noakes
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RE: Is TT sustainable
^AntG .. it's not even part of the course but sadly for the reasons you mention there have been 2 fatal accidents in the area of the unrestricted Sloc Road, not sure why spending a load of money to travel and speed around The Sloc seems a good idea.
I'm Manx and have been spectating/spannering/racing for 40 odd years now and this year the weather was the most constant nadgery 'orrible cold/windy/wet/grey weather over the TT fortnight or MGP I can rememberhopefully it's a one-off, it wasn't comfortable/enjoyable to be out there on a bike most of the time nor sat in a field waiting for practice/racing which may explain a lack of bikes, I also noticed that while still being keen and getting to fave spec areas very early there wasn't the usual numbers in attendance until closer to roads closing and a couple of times when out on my bike in relatively clearer weather the TT course was compared to other years totally dead even over the mountain section, the lack of radios/radio noise may have been due to more people using headphones from mobile phones.
The racing classes are much alike but not sure what the answer is -
Moto2/3 bikes are expensive and not raced in great numbers in the UK.
I can see some riders in near future being quicker on Superstock than Superbike due to power/spec etc of latest 1000cc bikes, at at a local sponsors night before TT Hicky was there and he said this years over the counter retail BMW 1000rr has the same bhp as his fully spec'd 2016 BSB bike.
Triumph supply the 765cc Moto2 control engine but have no plans for a sports road bike until 2020 at earliest have already dropped their 675 Daytona sports bike and if they make a 765cc road bike will that be allowed in with 600cc 4-cyl Supersport ?
The current classes are supported by riders who can race regularly at club/national level and road circuits on their bikes, not sure where we'd get a relatively full grid of any other machine or cc from ?.
Sales of 600cc sportsbikes are not good and I think only Yamaha has a new model 600/R6 in the showroom while the Kawasaki is a refreshed bike.
Back "in the day" we started and raced in very wet conditions as it was the done thing then, MGP 90/92 some races we set off in very windy/wet conditions, not saying it was a good idea but it was our choice, these days it's not safe with the speed/power of the bikes and there's much more focus on insurance and health n safety for racers/crew, spectators and land owners.
I'm fortunate to have family on IoM, still enjoy all aspects of TT/MGP and I have huge respect for anybody that comes over and stays/camps in a tent given the conditions this year and would have to say that all the people I met who were camping were very happy just to be here spectating and it's good to still see large numbers of continental fans here.
Sod's Law imposed and the wind has dropped and sun is out today, luckily i'm here for another week.
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10-06-2019, 12:09 PM |
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hrcbob
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RE: Is TT sustainable
I think the TT is sustainable in its current format.
Yes the weather this year played havoc and there will no doubt be people who saw no racing in their time on the island. Would I let that put me off going again? Hell no!!
I think the rise in popularity of social media and youtube etc have increased the numbers of "non bikers" attending the TT but i don't see this as a bad thing.
In reality bikers are an aging and declining part of the population (from my observations here in Ireland and at NEC bike shows) and it has to be better that TT is still being supported well than to see dwindling crowds year on year.
I understand it can be frustrating to see these visitors who are simply there for the spectacle not getting into the radio commentary or the programs but when they have no knowledge of who the riders are or the radio coverage, is it surprising?
I wonder is it that some of the finer details are missed in the promotion of the tt and the mgp?
Are all visitors aware that the radio coverage is available?
A larger threat to the TT will come from the health and safety and environmental regulations being tightened.
Hats off to Garry Thompson this year. Id say the poor man didn't sleep for the full 2 weeks.
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11-06-2019, 09:16 AM |
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There had been some talks of the 300ss class making an appearance at the Irish road races earlier this year but i am not sure if it ever got anywhere.
It would need proper controls so it didn't end up being another version of the current 650 supertwins and costing silly money.
(This post was last modified: 11-06-2019, 11:26 AM by Malcolm.)
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11-06-2019, 09:49 AM |
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The Senior race attendance has never been anywhere near dead, at anytime in the last 30 years. Its true that some years attendance for the race week has been poor, but Senior race day has always been busy. Having to fill in the riders yourself is also incorrect. The page in the race guide was blank, but it was blank for a reason. In the good old days when the riders use to go off in numerical order, all races apart from the Senior were preset, regardless of practice times. The Senior starting order was determined on lap times during the week. on the Thursday before the Senior, they would publish a printed starting order that you could pick up. It was the same size and layout as the race guide. The blank pages therefore had nothing to do with how busy the attendance was.
I still believe I am right about the low use of radios. Even a quick glance up and down a line of spectators can see who has ear piece radios/headphones in. Still a very, very low percentage.
A case in point. The woman who was fined £1500 for walking on closed roads pleaded ignorance to the law. Yet, how many times do you hear it announced on the radio that you can go on closed roads? Or the fact that it is printed in the program and race guide. An enthusiast will devour every piece of information they can BEFORE they even get here. The 'Eventers' seem to arrive feeling entitled to do what they want.
As for the Lido, they current crop would either faint,be offended and seek counselling, or sue for distress if they saw what when on in there.
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RE: Is TT sustainable
I'll bow to the experience of others on this forum, though I have a few thoughts on the future of the TT. This year was the tenth anniversary of my first trip to the TT, and I have noticed dramatic changes since 2009. It is of course far busier than it was then, which for me, can be attributed to the way the event has been marketed/ broadcast in America and Australia. Add in the popularity of the feature films, 'Living on the edge', and 'Road', and I can see why plenty more punters are attracted to head over. However I think that the organisers and the Manx government need to be careful what they want the TT to become in the future. Although real bike fans will surely always be the core of travellers to the TT, some may be priced out. This year for example, I delayed booking the campsite we have stayed at for the past four years as I wanted to see if I could change our ferries as we couldn't stay for the Senior. Having failed to do so, I contacted the campsite early March to book, only to be told that they were fully booked. We have noticed year on year that this site has become busier with fans travelling from around the world, who require, or prefer prebuilt tents. Checking the prices for our stay, (7 nights for £1100 in prebuilt tent, £1800 for glamping was what I was quoted), I was convinced that the average punter is having their options more and more limited at the TT. Still, wasn't a bad year to try our first homestay!
I have no problem with fans from all over the world making the pilgrimage, and I am well aware that there's plenty other campsites had I booked earlier, but I feel that this is just one example of how the corporate aspect of the TT is pricing some fans out of it. In 10 years of attending, I have only managed to secure ferries suitable for the Senior twice. I find this quite frustrating, especially when watching practice at Bray hill on Thursday night, just before we went to pack our bags for the early Heysham ferry, an American guy who had just arrived asked me where Ballascarey was, and what number Guy Martin was! (I resisted telling him that Guy Martin was number 101 and that Ballascarey was in Castletown) I know that the corporate game is needed to make it work, but I think that there is enough of the Monster taxi rides, grandstands thrown up where there was once good free viewpoints, and that anymore could alienate fans who have been attending for a lot longer than I have.
Anyway, it hasn't lessened my love for the place, or the TT itself and like many, already booked for next year (ferry sorted for the Senior too!).
Haven't heard of the Lido before, though if anybody wants to start a campaign to reopen it, you have my unconditional support!
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